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Delta ChatThe trajectory of E2E-encryption is about de-platforming: There shall be no central machines that can control the edges/peers, and the social groups and virtual centers they freely form. Our <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> R&D around <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> relays and <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/webxdc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#webxdc</a> apps all aim to realize such a "zero-platforms" fully E2E-encrypted interaction model. However, this is *not* just about cryptographic cleverness. Rather it is about usable anti-authoritarian designs, as explicitly stated in January <a href="https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires</a>

tekhne<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Tutanota</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mastodon</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Mastodon</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Pixelfed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pixelfed</a> <a href="https://pixelfed.social/pixelfed" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@PixelFed</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/diaspora" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#diaspora</a>

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de</a>Ein zentralisiertes Modell ist nun einmal ein Rückschritt.Und <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> existiert auch noch... größte Verbreitung (da auf E-Mail aufsetzend und damit kompatibel) und eben dezentral... eigenes Hosting ist auch möglich... mehr Details mag ggf. <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta@chaos.social</a> beisteuern.

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta@chaos.social</a>Danke für den Hinweis.Hilft hier im Anwendungsfall leider nicht.Wenn mich jemand an meine Chat-Adresse anschreibt (ohne selbst Delta Chat zu verwenden, wird Delta Chat diesen Betreff verwenden. Und zwar auch noch Monate später, wenn die neue Nachricht so gar nichts mit dem inzwischen historischen Betreff zu tun hat.Brainstorming: * Delta Chat könnte nach gewisser Zeit wieder auf den Standardbetreff umschalten * Delta Chat könnte immer den Standardbetreff nutzen * Delta Chat könnte einen Hinweis auf Delta Chat in den Standardbetreff aufnehmen * Delta Chat könnte in den Einstellungen irgendwo eine Option bieten, den (zukünftigen) Betreff festzulegen bzw. auf den Standardbetreff zurückzusetzen<a href="https://social.screamingatmyscreen.com/@fallenhitokiri" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fallenhitokiri@social.screamingatmyscreen.com</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Michie164" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Michie164@mastodon.social</a><a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>

adb<a href="https://polymaths.social/@krafter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@krafter</a> Delta Chat is available for iOS, if you mean in general to install a new app well yeah if people don't want to change there is nothing you can do about it, but if you are not available in the platforms they use they will need to use something elseon the plus side with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> there are in-chat mini-apps you could use as a reason for them to install the app, ex. shopping lists with family or roomates, split bills with friends, to-do lists and collaborative editor, games, etc.

adb<a href="https://polymaths.social/@krafter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@krafter</a> I recommend you to give it a try to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>, for android there is a nice client called <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ArcaneChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ArcaneChat</a> I maintain: <a href="https://arcanechat.me" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://arcanechat.me</a>

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta@chaos.social</a>Moin.Ich nutze eine separate Mailbox nur für Chat und eine Änderungsmöglichkeit für den Betreff würde ich auch begrüssen.Gerade in Hinblick auf Kontakte, die nicht <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> nutzen, kann es irritierend sein, E-Mails zu erhalten, deren Betreff so gar nichts mit dem Inhalt zu tun hat.Und (gerade nicht aktuell nachgeschaut): Es wäre schön, wenn der Date-Header die korrekte Zeitzone enthalten würde.Ansonsten: Super, daß es Delta Chat gibt. Nutze es seit ca. 2017. <a href="https://social.screamingatmyscreen.com/@fallenhitokiri" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fallenhitokiri@social.screamingatmyscreen.com</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Michie164" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Michie164@mastodon.social</a>

R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: 🍵<a href="https://polymaths.social/@krafter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@krafter</a>Google is being atrociously googly with this one.There's always <a href="https://polymaths.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>?

Delta ChatEaster/April offer 🐣 if you are onboarding a small group of family/friends to <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> and/or want to setup a insta-federated <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> relay let us know about any issues. Just post on fediverse and tag us. In case of bugs/issues we'll see to privately set up a support chat to help sort out any issues, or file accordingly to our development tracker. We want Delta to work flawlessly for private chatting and to better understand any remaining irritations or problems. Thanks and enjoy :)

Delta ChatIsn't it ironic that a messenger that utilizes email protocols under the hood is pretty resistant to spam? For decades most people equated email with "spam" and yet, here we are. It's not the email protocols that cause spam but the fact that email adresses have been used as identity. <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> is moving away from this email address-as-identity model towards a cryptography based model where only chat contacts know your identity, and email is "just" the globally federated transport.

Delta ChatIf you are using <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> with a <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> profile with private contacts there is no chance you are going to get spam. Why? 1) Spammers can't contact you based on your phone number like with other messengers. 2) Nobody knows your private address or cryptographic key except your contacts. Without that spammers/phishers can't contact you. 3) if joining a public group with unknown members better use a second chat profile which you can mute/remove as needed. Privacy and peace of mind.

Timo ZimmermannOne week ago we migrated 21 people from Matrix to <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> and it has been a pretty good experience.Not everything is working flawlessly but that also wasn’t expect. Plus we didn’t do a lot of debugging so I cannot rule out user error yet.All 21 users are happy about the change. <a href="https://social.screamingatmyscreen.com/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a><a href="https://www.screamingatmyscreen.com/one-week-with-delta-chat/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.screamingatmyscreen.com/one-week-with-delta-chat/</a>

Delta Chat<a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> is geared and optimized for private messaging even though it's successfully used for 100+ people chats as well. Doing large scale chats has two challenges: - implementing scalable encryption so increased number of recipients does not increase message size/cpu cost for the sender - grow good moderation tooling because public channels/chats invite a lot of spam, unwanted stuff For large chats today we recommend to control who joins, and maybe use a separate chat profile.

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#discord</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhiCP8AQWs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!</a><ul><li>It's worse than any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mumble" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mumble</a> or even the old <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamSpeak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TeamSpeak</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Skype</a> for that matter.</li><li>It combines the disadvantages of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Forum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forum</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/paywalled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#paywalled</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#documentation</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chat</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/voicechat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#voicechat</a> with 0 redeeming qualities (unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zulip</a> & Mumble & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a>) it's just an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a>!</li></ul>I'm shure fecking <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dread" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dread</a> has better moderation and I'd rather use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MicrosoftTeams</a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Slack</a> cuz those at least have proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moderation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#moderation</a> tools.<ul><li>And I'd rather subscribe to the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LKML</a> and see my inbox getting hosed than using any shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SaaS</a>!</li></ul>Case in point: I'd rather <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfHost</a> all my comms infrastructure than to ever use something like Discord or any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GDPR</a>-violating SaaS that is just enshittification.I'd rather recommend people to instead choose a tool that does everything but horrible to go with multiple smaller & good tools<ul><li>Public Chat? IRC!</li><li>Group Voicechat? Mumble.</li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Documentation</a>? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkDocs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkDocs</a>-material.</li><li>1:1 Chats? XMPP+OMEMO.</li><li>E2EE Group Chats? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a>.</li><li>E2EE Calls? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WebCall</a>.</li><li>Filehosting? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPFS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IPFS</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BitTorrent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BitTorrent</a>, oshi.at, etc. ...</li><li>…</li></ul>Check <a href="https://mas.to/@alternativeto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@alternativeto</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/@european_alternatives" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@european_alternatives</a> for options.

Bhante Subharo :xmpp:<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@mray" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mray</a> I just discovered the “Add Second Device” feature of <a href="https://c.im/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>. Is highly underrated

Ivan GJ¿No habías visto aún mi vídeo sobre <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>? ¡Dale amor! ❤️via <a href="https://fediverse.tv/accounts/ivangj" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ivangj@fediverse.tv</a><a href="https://fediverse.tv/videos/watch/21b54e75-f8ae-4a61-919c-a7d264f67b57" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://fediverse.tv/videos/watch/21b54e75-f8ae-4a61-919c-a7d264f67b57</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Blaumensch1" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Blaumensch1</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> nein.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PGG</a>/MIME mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfCustody</a> und Anbietern in der <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EU</a>, die keine Niederlassung, Geschäftsrätigkeit oder Anteilseigner aus den <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#USA</a> haben.Bspw.: <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a> und <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>.<ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CloudAct</a> greift für alle die in den <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#USA</a> agieren oder dort ne Dependance/Mutter-/Tochtergesellschaft haben!</li></ul>

mray<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> is so much better than Signal when it comes to hardware support. Get this: when setting up a new phone I lose access to previous conversations and media DESPITE having a synced desktop app. Why?Well in Signal your desktop client is not a real client! Switching hardware with <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> was quick, easy and successful. Every client is real.👍 Signal:😖I do wonder why they fail so hard there, as they generally have things figured out, too.

feld<a class="hashtag" href="https://friedcheese.us/tag/deltachat" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> is building what Matthew Green wanted in 2014 What’s the matter with PGP? – A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering <a href="https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/13/whats-matter-with-pgp/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/13/whats-matter-with-pgp/</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://techhub.social/@linuxer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@linuxer</a> <a href="https://darmstadt.social/@stormii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@stormii</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@karl_ist_super" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@karl_ist_super</a> ja, sowas wie <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a>, <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gajim</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a> & <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a>...<ul><li>Nur weil etwas alle/die meisten machen wird's nicht weniger falsch!</li></ul>Natürlich kannste <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> nutzen, nur dann musste halt auch drauf klarkommen dass so zentralisierter shice durch eine christofaschistische Regierung (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#USA</a>) irgendwann eingestampft wird.<ul><li>Davon dass es eine bescheuerte Idee ist aus gründen von <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Datenschutz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Datenschutz</a>, einen Anbieter zu nutzen der ne <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telefonnummer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Telefonnummer</a> verlangt mal abgesehen.</li></ul><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monocles</a> verlangt hingegen garkeine Daten und erlaubt anonymes Bezahlen per <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monero</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashByMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CashByMail</a> !<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/thxbye" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#thxbye</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EOD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EOD</a>

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